Victory over Addictions

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As it happens, I have an interesting experience of freeing myself from the addiction to eating meat. It happened during the “Pure June” campaign, more than ten years ago. I was about 20 or 21. I took part in the campaign. I was absolutely sure that I could go without meat for one month because previously I had easily gone without meat for three to five months at a time (but that abstinence was not freedom from my dependence on meat). In my mind, I still often wanted to eat meat and, moreover, I enjoyed eating it. So I took part in the “Pure June” campaign and broke that vow. That June, I ate meat once. I don't know, perhaps it was the will of Higher Powers. But that incident affected me very deeply. I began to look more deeply into myself to understand what I was doing wrong. I also promised myself that, in exchange for breaking the vow, I would give up eating meat forever as soon as possible. And that is exactly what happened. After that campaign, which I had failed, I ate meat two or three times over the next one or two years, and it was very unpleasant for me to eat it. These were completely different sensations, with no pleasure from eating meat at all. And as I said here before, I have not eaten meat for more than ten years now, for natural reasons. I simply find meat repulsive. And the more time passed, the more horrible and unpleasant eating meat seemed to me. I wish I could convey this feeling to someone else, even for a minute. I think it would be useful for meat eaters. Now it seems impossible to me that I would voluntarily take something made of meat and eat it. It seems like such terrifying madness to me.
 

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Wanting to eat meat in the Mind is a program; you can install another program in yourself—that eating meat is horrible.
In Veretennikov’s words: “And if a person is merely abstaining, then it only looks like freedom from addiction.”
I feel that my body wants meat (this requires developing the skill of recognizing what exactly the body wants), so I eat slowly and moderately, and the body enjoys it. If it doesn’t want it, I don’t eat it. And that is “freedom of choice”—or, more simply, a sensible approach.
 
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Wanting to eat meat in the Mind is a program; you can install another program in yourself—that eating meat is horrible.
It is better to install a program that benefits you than one that harms you.
 

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I feel that my body wants meat (this requires developing the skill of recognizing what exactly the body wants), so I eat slowly and moderately, and the body enjoys it. If it doesn’t want it, I don’t eat it. And that is “freedom of choice”—or, more simply, a sensible approach.
Where is the freedom of choice here?
This is dependence.
Doing what the body wants, or what someone else wants—the mind, your parents, your children...—is not freedom.
 

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I would also like to add to the experience I described above. I did not even force myself to give up meat; giving up meat happened automatically after everything in my head “collapsed” following my failure. It is not for nothing that some great people say that failures and defeats are the foundation of future victories and the best teachers.
 

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Веретенников Сергей Веретенников Сергей , That is why “freedom of choice” is in quotation marks, and a common-sense approach has been added. The body itself indicates what it needs for optimal functioning, and bodies are different. You can even look for someone “who has freedom of choice,” and you may even find them—but “what or who that will be,” and whether it exists at all, is the question.
 

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Веретенников Сергей Веретенников Сергей , That is why “freedom of choice” is in quotation marks, and a common-sense approach has been added. The body itself indicates what it needs for optimal functioning, and bodies are different. You can even look for someone “who has freedom of choice,” and you may even find them—but “what or who that will be,” and whether it exists at all, is the question.
This common-sense approach is also within the framework of dependence.

It is like giving a drug addict small doses of drugs in a clinic to make withdrawal easier.
 

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Веретенников Сергей Веретенников Сергей , I understand what you mean, and I have absolutely nothing against people not eating meat. I can easily go without meat for a month or two; if I do not feel the need for it, I simply do not eat it. I just consider meat to be food, like many other things we eat, and I do not set giving it up as a goal. Nor do I consider feeding the body a dependency; the body needs food to function. Of course, one could immediately bring up “healthy and proper nutrition.” But so much has been written on the subject that if you tried to put it all into a matrix, it would make your head spin. I simply immerse my attention in the body, and increasingly understand what the body wants. This does not at all mean dependence on the body or identification with it; the body simply exists, and it has needs, including the need for food.
 

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Веретенников Сергей Веретенников Сергей , I understand what you mean, and I have absolutely nothing against people not eating meat. I can easily go without meat for a month or two; if I do not feel the need for it, I simply do not eat it. I just consider meat to be food, like many other things we eat, and I do not set giving it up as a goal. Nor do I consider feeding the body a dependency; the body needs food to function. Of course, one could immediately bring up “healthy and proper nutrition.” But so much has been written on the subject that if you tried to put it all into a matrix, it would make your head spin. I simply immerse my attention in the body, and increasingly understand what the body wants. This does not at all mean dependence on the body or identification with it; the body simply exists, and it has needs, including the need for food.
Dependence on the body is a different matter.
But what you have to eat—that is not your story.
There is your mother and father, society, and much more behind it.
You may not consider this dependence; that is your business.

But when there is a crowd of people behind you whispering what you should or should not do, that is dependence on that crowd.
 

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Веретенников Сергей Веретенников Сергей , And I understand the point about childhood programming. I will quietly separate the wheat from the chaff. That is why I immerse my attention. Thank you sincerely for the advice.
 

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Веретенников Сергей Веретенников Сергей , does that mean that any choice is dependence? And ideally, should one NOT CHOOSE?
Every choice is dictated by logic, the body, or something/someone else...
 

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Веретенников Сергей Веретенников Сергей , does it mean that every choice is a dependency? And ideally, should we NOT CHOOSE?
Any choice is dictated by logic, the body, or something/someone else...
No, not every choice.

Well, look.

Dad smoked. I smoke or don't smoke depending on my father.

Mom didn't drink. I drink or don't drink depending on my mother.

Do you understand?

What do you yourself want?

Why does everything around you always revolve around someone? I'm not talking about you personally.

And this is where the most interesting part begins.

Some people believe they are the body, some the mind, and some the soul.

And then the three gunas of nature begin: Tamas, Rajas, Sattva.
 

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What do you yourself want?
That’s the most unclear part :)

Every person consists of several components, so to speak. Everyone has a body with its needs, such as warmth and nourishment. Everyone has a mind, which usually thinks it is in charge :), and it seems that everyone has a Soul, the Higher Self...

And for me, for example, the hardest thing is to understand what the Soul, the Higher Self, wants. And if I have caught some signal that seems to come from the Soul, could it actually be my mind that produced it?

And a new round begins—WHO AM I? :D
 

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Such a great coincidence today. This morning I happened to decide to watch a video on a psychological topic. These videos are very closely connected with this subject. It was related to what Om Shanti wrote in the latest comments about dependencies caused by fathers and mothers. I watched the videos against the backdrop of my parents wanting me to have children, while I myself don’t want a family or children. I was trying to understand my parents’ psychology and why they want me to have children, because it’s my life—I do what I want—and such a serious matter as having children is something I should think through and decide for myself 100%, in my opinion. My parents shouldn’t interfere here either in word or deed. Anyway, today I watched videos titled "Why doesn’t my son want children or get married". I also tried to understand myself and my motivation. But speaking of society, it’s a horrifying situation when men and women aged 20–30 have children because their retired parents ordered them to and manipulated them into it. The videos were funny, of course; they seriously blamed the parents, saying that it was their fault their children didn’t get married -)))) I love cheering myself up by watching videos like that -)))))) It’s funny to me, of course, but it’s very unfortunate if someone actually follows the advice in those videos. Essentially, they were trying to set parents and children against each other.

And if we also talk about eating meat, there is no freedom here either, because eating meat is connected with violence and the killing of animals, which are not obliged to give up their lives so that people can eat them. And if someone objects that this is how Nature intended it and that humans are supposedly omnivores, that is a complete delusion, because the human gastrointestinal tract is the same as that of animals that eat only plant-based food.
 

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Удалённый пользователь 177 Удалённый пользователь 177 , And what is the purpose of the human stomach having a weak hydrochloric acid solution?
 

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Удалённый пользователь 177 Удалённый пользователь 177 , And what is the purpose of the human stomach having a weak hydrochloric acid solution?
I suppose it is meant to kill worm eggs, protozoa, and pathogenic bacteria that enter the stomach with food, greens, or through dirty hands.
If anything does survive, then a healthy gallbladder releases a portion of burning bile, and the pathogens no longer stand a chance.
 

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And for me, for example, the most difficult thing is to understand what the Soul, the Higher Self... wants. And if I do catch some kind of signal that seems to come from the Soul, how do I know it wasn't my mind that produced it?

And a new circle begins—WHO AM I?
The School has both practices and materials on how to find this out.
 

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There is an interesting video by Gregg Plitt called "Willpower." He explains very interestingly how to get rid of addictions. I have never seen such an explanation anywhere else. He says that it is pointless to use willpower to get rid of addictions because the resource of willpower is limited; instead, you need to change your perception and understanding of addictions, and this new perception and understanding will automatically destroy them. Trying to overcome addictions with willpower and all sorts of effort does not work.
Most people try to overcome addictions through willpower, and therefore they lose.
I learned roughly the same thing from Louise Hay 🌹, who advised letting go of an addiction with love and gratitude toward the object of the addiction, by reciting an affirmation.
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I have addictions, for example, to the desire to "play it safe," to the desire to pass on my skills and knowledge (even when no one has really asked :), to the desire to improve and perfect whatever I look at, and there are others as well. But... I am increasingly trying to see God in everything and accept His timely actions (when a person's consciousness is ready) for the benefit of all living beings! 🙏
Thank you very much, OM Shanti, for raising this topic 🙏 🌹; by verbalizing and reflecting on our addictions, we acknowledge them in ourselves, and that already partially works through them, something like that :)
 
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Удалённый пользователь 177 Удалённый пользователь 177 , Зачем Природа встроила в человека безусловный инстинкт размножения? Как и в растения, рыб, птиц, животных и т.д.. Может родители понимают природу и потому хотят продолжение рода?
 

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Удалённый пользователь 177 Удалённый пользователь 177 , Зачем Природа встроила в человека безусловный инстинкт размножения? Как и в растения, рыб, птиц, животных и т.д.. Может родители понимают природу и потому хотят продолжение рода?
А может природа встроила в человека Свободу Воли и Выбора?
Но мой пост был о психологии и зависимости. И если верить в то, что природа или кто-то там ещё что-то в меня встроил, то это тоже зависимость.
 
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