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Here I will tell you how to overcome what is trying to control you.

And this is far from being limited to alcohol, smoking, eating corpses, sugar, and so on.

You may be surprised—but this is EVERYTHING.

In the Bhagavad Gita, the Absolute says that dependencies exist on three levels: ignorance, passion, and goodness.

In ignorance, we can somehow imagine what this means—for example, drugs, alcohol, all kinds of filth...

But how can a brahman be subject to dependencies? This may be difficult for an ordinary person to understand.

And it is hardly surprising—because to understand something, you need to be at least on that level, and to understand it fully, you need to be above it.

But what can be higher than sattva? Higher than brahman, than goodness?

The thing is, there is nothing pure in matter. Even goodness, sattva, is not absolutely pure.

But as they say, everyone is eager to discuss the “impurity of brahmans” while they themselves are in tamas up to their ears...

You need to start by pulling yourself out of tamas by the head, like Münchausen. And not just partially—out of complete tamas.

Then, before you know it, the dependency will move into the guna of passion, where it will be easier to control.
And from there, reaching sattva is within easy reach....

To begin with, I want to give you a test.

It is simple.

You need to analyze which topics you cannot discuss calmly.

For example, smoking and alcohol. You do not smoke or drink.

BUT!

When someone starts talking about these subjects, you avoid them. Or snort and leave, saying, “Oh, these low, immoral little people...”


Does this situation sound familiar?

That is, you do not smoke or drink, but suddenly a strange reaction arises.

Write in the comments whether this happens.

Someone starts talking about sex, and you think, “What a nightmare—and this person considers themselves spiritual! They are...” And off it goes.

First of all, I want to tell you that a person who has freed themselves from a dependency takes it calmly. That is, if someone is talking about the weather, sex, vodka... it is all the same to them.

That is a real victory over dependency.

Intensive: Freedom from Dependency

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It is also important to understand that every dependency has two sides.

These two sides:
  1. From
  2. To
For example, someone may think that their father has no influence on them whatsoever.
Suppose their father was a smoker.

And the person thinks:
  1. I will never smoke like my father.
  2. My father (and grandfather) smoked, and it is perfectly normal for me to smoke.
Do you understand?

This is all about one and the same dependency!

That is why videos about someone having a drink on special occasions attract so many negative comments on YouTube from people who supposedly do not drink. I assure you—most of them have dependencies. Even if they are not drinking at the moment and have quit, the dependency has not gone anywhere.

They are all running away from it. But some run toward it, while others run away from it.

But in both cases—IT CONTROLS THEM!
 

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I have a strong reaction to treatment by conventional medicine—to faith in medicine. For example, how can you give a child with what they call “asthma” a hormonal medication on a permanent basis?! I’m triggered by accepting a diagnosis that cannot be cured. The doctor said...—that’s where my outright rejection of conventional medicine comes in. A fracture, appendicitis, dentistry—and don’t come near me in any other cases :) It turns out that I judge people who seek treatment, especially those who undergo it on an ongoing basis. Rationally, I understand that medicine is necessary and that acute cases still need to be dealt with. But I judge blind faith. I just can’t understand what is controlling me in this case. Or is this not about addictions? Ego?
 
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Yes, it is present. For example, I don’t smoke or drink alcohol. I can stand nearby in a group of, say, smokers and feel nothing. Although it seems to me that sometimes barely perceptible “impulses,” such as judgment, arrogance, and so on, do arise toward other people. But they aren’t expressed. The same applies to sex: I can easily discuss the subject with different people without feeling judgmental or embarrassed at that moment, yet on some day I can still catch myself realizing that, somewhere deep down, I associate sex with shame, prohibition/taboo. And the most interesting thing is that logic suggests that in order to exhaust a habit, you need to indulge it to the point of exhaustion—that is, if you smoke, smoke a lot; if you have sex, have it every day. But, as I understand it, this almost never works. 🤷 For example, this is how I quit smoking. I quit many times, but nothing worked, and I started again. Then, at one point, I began feeling very unwell and realized that my body could not go on like that; I wanted to feel full of strength and healthy again. That worked, and something tells me I won’t ever smoke again. As I said earlier, I can calmly socialize with people who smoke, and I don’t even feel the urge. Or, when I was a child... I played computer games—a lot. At some point, I caught myself thinking that I didn’t want to play anymore. It was as if a switch had been flipped. I wanted to start again many times, but I no longer feel the urge. Well, I can play for 30 minutes, or an hour, but I get bored quickly. Here it seems more like I’m not restricting myself too much, and the habit has simply run its course. But figuring out what to do with some other habits is difficult :)
 

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A long time ago, to obtain Zhdanov’s materials on restoring eyesight, you had to fill out a questionnaire. It asked questions such as how many times a week you drank, in what quantities, what exactly you drank, and so on. But at that point I had not consumed anything at all for several years, and now it has been even longer. Those questions, and Zhdanov’s certainty that there are no people who do not drink at all, made me so angry. The questionnaire did not provide an option to indicate that I led a sober lifestyle. I would react more calmly now, but back then I did not even receive the materials because of it.

Does such a reaction also indicate dependence?
I do not condemn people who drink; I believe it is an illness. Everyone has their own lessons: I have mine, they have theirs, and it is not even known whether I will manage to deal with my own well enough to condemn them.
 

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My strong reaction is to treatment through conventional medicine—to faith in medicine. For example, how can you give a child who has what is called “asthma” a hormonal medication on a permanent basis?! What triggers me is accepting a diagnosis that cannot be cured. “The doctor said…”—I have a downright aversion to conventional medicine. A fracture, appendicitis, dentistry—don’t come near me in other cases) So, it turns out that I condemn people who seek treatment, especially those who undergo treatment on a permanent basis. Rationally, I understand that medicine is necessary and that acute cases still need to be dealt with. But I condemn blind faith. I just cannot understand what is controlling me in this case. Or is this not about dependencies?
I would call this intolerance of other people’s opinions or choices.

That is also a dependency.

And many people have it. If not everyone.
 

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A long time ago, in order to obtain Zhdanov's materials on vision healing, you had to fill out a questionnaire. The questionnaire included questions like how many times a week you drink, in what quantities, what exactly you drink, and so on. But at that time I hadn't consumed anything at all for several years, and now it's been even longer. Those questions, and Zhdanov's certainty that there are no people who don't drink at all, made me so angry that the questionnaire didn't even offer an option to indicate that I lead a sober lifestyle. I would react more calmly now, but back then I didn't even receive the materials because of it.

Does such a reaction also indicate dependence?
I don't condemn people who drink; I believe it's an illness. Everyone has their own lessons—mine are mine, theirs are theirs—and it's not even known whether I'll manage to deal with my own well enough to judge them.
Dependence is anything that takes us out of a state of calm.

But let's dig deeper.

For example, someone is walking down the street in a calm state.

Then they see hooligans beating up a girl.

They stop being calm.

They drive the hooligans away.

That is, they react. There was an event, there was a reaction to it—and that reaction controlled them.

Would anyone say that if they were a true "yogi" or "Buddhist," they would have continued calmly on their way, leaving the girl to be torn apart by the thugs?

That is, the person is dependent.

And this is dependence in the guna of passion, rajas.

In the guna of sattva, they would approach and graciously ask everyone to stop...

And that is also dependence in the guna of sattva.

But it's not that simple.

Here's the point.

The hooligans are beating up an unfamiliar girl.
And now they are beating up his daughter.

Can you feel what difference has arisen?

But for a person without DEPENDENCE, there is no difference.

They will react the same way to the beating of a complete stranger and to the beating of their daughter.

That is, in both cases, they will rush to help in exactly the same way.

And that is when they should be considered a person without dependence.
 

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I would call this impatience with other people's opinions or choices.
That is also dependence.
And many people have it. If not everyone.
Oh, yes! Exactly!
I feel that this is something very deep-rooted. And its roots go... somewhere way back..)). This is, among other things, what makes up a personality. No matter how much I've worked on this in myself, it hasn't helped so far.
Is there anything one can do about not accepting what is different in other people? Other than getting rid of the ego entirely)
 

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Awareness comes from being disturbed by the state of the body, and with it comes freedom of choice. And as they say, if I want to, I drink (smoke, etc.); if I want to, I don't.
 

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Can anything be done about not accepting what is different in others?
For now, we are working with the test.
And understanding dependencies.

I assure you, 95% of people on Planet Earth do not even know that they have dependencies.

So how can we even talk about overcoming them?

First, you need to find out that the dependency exists.
Acknowledge it.
Accept it.

After all, the point is not to think in terms of whether something is good or bad.

Dependencies are what make us unfree.

And there is a category of dependencies that even prevents others from living, let alone us.

But in the end, as I am getting ahead of myself, it will turn out that every dependency prevents all of us from living fully.

Dependency on alcohol, dependency on what others will say or think, even dependency on whether you like yourself—for example, when you say yes or no to someone.

All of this is dependency.

They deprive us of peace and balance.

The only person who is not subject to dependencies is someone who acts as though they have just come from the Spiritual World.

And acts according to the laws of that world.

They are beyond the logic and understanding of ordinary people.

Where everyone runs away, they sit down and meditate; where everyone goes to war, they oppose it; where everyone grabs, they give; where everyone ignores what is unwanted, they pick it up; where everyone lies, they tell the truth, and vice versa...

Nothing makes sense to the material world.
 

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Answer to the test: Yes, there is.
 

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There are types of dependencies that are even difficult to see.

For example, demonstrating strength.

The whole world is going crazy, shouting, “Be strong!”

Running away from your vulnerability.

Not accepting it.

But vulnerability is part of life.

Part of trusting Life.

Even part of love.

Strong people are often lonely.

But they are proud of being strong.

But then how is strength different from vodka?

In nothing.

Both turn you into a monster.

Both drive people away from you.
 

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There are types of addiction that are difficult even to see.

For example, the demonstration of strength.

The whole world is going crazy, shouting, “Be strong!”

Running away from your vulnerability.

Not accepting it.

But vulnerability is part of life.

Part of trusting Life.

Even part of love.

Strong people are often lonely.

But they take pride in being strong.

But then how is strength different from vodka?

It isn’t.

Both turn you into a monster.

Both drive people away from you.
If I understood correctly, it turns out that addiction is an inclination toward one of a pair of polarities/dualities/dichotomies. But in different situations, we can express opposite sides. For example, at work we may have shown strength in one situation. And on that same day, we may have shown vulnerability within our family. Or even at that same workplace, we may show both strength and vulnerability with the same people.

Perhaps we are talking about habitual patterns of behavior in certain circumstances. A kind of habit, a behavioral pattern.

Yes, exactly: when we get used to evaluating and responding to a phenomenon in one strictly defined way, we become dependent on that well-worn response pattern. A particular scenario. That is where addiction appears, because it is difficult for us to respond differently—or not respond at all.

There is a huge field of activity for the mind in this matter :)

Does it make sense to make a list of our addictions? At least those that can be seen by the mind)
 

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Here is the point.

Here hooligans are beating up an unknown girl.
And here they are beating up his daughter.

Can you feel what difference has arisen?

But for a person without ADDICTION, there is no difference.
So it turns out that family, attachment to our loved ones, and love are our main addiction. Is that why yogis go into the mountains—to rid themselves of close people and all attachments?
Or how can one live in a family, for example, without being dependent? Does that mean showing indifference?
Or how can one treat everyone equally, in the guna of sattva, when one’s loved ones would be hurt that the whole world means as much to a person as their family—that is, means nothing?

I am also interested in how one can develop if one is not dependent on anything. Not dependent on other people’s opinions, with no concern for what kind of job one has, how much one earns, or what one wears. Not dependent on one’s relatives, with no concern for whether one’s children study well or poorly, what they eat, or whom they associate with. Not dependent on one’s strength, intellect, knowledge, or beauty—then why train, study, and improve oneself?
 

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Just the other day, I realized that I have a very strong dependency on relationships—both romantic and friendly. At the same time, I’m comfortable being alone when I choose to spend time by myself. But when the initiative comes from another person, when someone close to me ignores me, pays no attention to me, or rejects me to some extent, something unpleasant happens inside me. I hadn’t really noticed this before, but at this stage of my life it has come to light, and my reaction to what is happening is now shocking me. It gets in the way, imposes such a lack of freedom, and genuinely damages my relationships.
 

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Let me repeat the example of a smoking father.

Will you refrain from smoking because, as a child, you told yourself, “I won’t be like my father”? Or will you smoke in order to be like your father?

Either way, you are DEPENDENT on another person—in this case, your father.

At the same time, it may seem to you that you are acting freely: “I am free because my father smoked, but I chose a different path!”

But this “path” is DEPENDENT on another person.

This is not freedom.
 

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Every dependency manifests itself in two ways: FROM and TOWARD.

And if a person is merely refusing something, then it only looks like FREEDOM from dependency.

There is even a common saying: “He overcame his alcohol dependency—what a great guy!”...

People struggling with dependency can easily go from not smoking to smoking.

And this is the range of dependency.

Anyone who understands at least this much can free themselves from dependencies and even help others.
 

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Namaste! After reading the messages above and reflecting on my behavior and reactions in different situations, I would say that my whole life consists of dependencies—from and toward others; they even determine my choice of how to live and what to do ☹

It would be very interesting to learn how to overcome dependencies and how realistic it is to do so 🙏
 

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The word “dependency” is derived from the word “to hang”—to be suspended.

If we take the image literally, it describes a person as if they were hanging in a suspended state—in other words, they stop developing.

But from a psychological point of view, it is a VERY complex concept.

People literally write volumes about dependencies.

It is an inexhaustible subject not only for metaphysics, but for science in general.

So you can imagine how important this is :)
 

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There is an interesting video by Gregg Plitt called “Willpower.” He explains very interestingly how to get rid of addictions. I have never seen an explanation like it anywhere else. He says that it is pointless to use willpower to overcome addictions because the resource of willpower is limited. Instead, you need to change your perception and understanding of addictions, and this new perception and understanding will automatically destroy them. Trying to overcome addictions through willpower and all kinds of effort does not work.
Most people try to overcome addictions through willpower, which is why they fail.
Every addiction manifests itself in two ways: AWAY FROM and TOWARD.

And if a person is only in abstinence, then it merely looks like FREEDOM from the addiction.

There is even a common saying: “He overcame his alcohol addiction—good for him!”...

People struggling with addiction can easily switch from not smoking to smoking.

And this is the range of addiction.

Anyone who understands at least this much can break free from addictions themselves and even help others.
 
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