Autonomy

Веретенников Сергей · Sep 22, 2020

More and more people are switching to complete, partial, or periodic so-called pranic nourishment, or autonomous nourishment. In other words, our body’s ability to exist independently of gross food is being realized.

Let me put it this way: can giving up meat and fish, for example, be called freedom from gross food? Yes, it can. At the very least, it is the beginning of a movement toward autonomy.
Then comes giving up fast food. Switching to clean nutrition, free from all kinds of dyes, nitrates, and so on.
Then increasing the amount of fruit, vegetables, and greens in one’s diet... Introducing one-day fasts, for example once a week...
The food becomes increasingly purified, and along with it, so does our body. All of this is movement toward autonomy. The body becomes increasingly free from the food familiar to most people.
Some people may stop at eating once a day, for example at lunchtime. And say that this is enough for them. Or enough for now. And that is their choice. Others will go further. After all, if there is a process of food becoming increasingly pure, as I described above, there may be no end to it. If someone has reached eating twice a day, then a year later eating once a day may prove sufficient for them. And this is a PROCESS. It can continue.

The number of people who achieve a higher degree of purity in their nutrition is growing. Consequently, among them there are those who go further. And further. And further...

987654 · Sep 24, 2020

I smoothly switched from eating twice a day to eating once a day at lunchtime; everything happened naturally and calmly.

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 1, 2020

Удалённый пользователь 19 · Oct 1, 2020

I won’t hide the fact that it was unexpected to hear such a profound, holistic vision expressed practically at a scientific level—such a clear presentation of the science of the body. Even El Amin’s appearance, at first glance, did not seem to suggest such a speech. Yet every sentence was like a formula.
Hunger is a way of thinking, he says. I can say of myself that the taste of food is also a way of thinking. I hardly ever feel hunger, but I am driven to eat by the sensation of its taste. I have long felt that my body resists all food and wants emptiness. And the farther I go, the stronger this resistance becomes. I disregard it because the food is tasty. How foolish! Perhaps it is time for me to gradually give up this business—food. Whatever I eat, after 10–15 minutes it becomes clear that it was unnecessary. In the mountains, I had absolutely no desire to eat. Could that really be a coincidence?! Apparently, the mountain air nourishes me.
Starting today, from this very minute, I decide to eat only when I really want to or when it is necessary because of taking medication, and to eat the tiniest amount—literally a bite.
Without overthinking it—fruit is necessary, vegetables are necessary, this is tasty, and that... Surely, in the end, I really need to find out how much I need food. Let it be an experiment. Without coercion, with a gentle nudge.

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 2, 2020

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 2, 2020

What I am about to write no longer seems like something fantastic:

Freedom from food. The lion’s share of people’s money goes toward food. Essentially, if you do not spend money on food, you can live comfortably on a modest income. Moreover, you could travel around the world, since you would need very little money.
People practicing autonomy talk about reducing the amount of time spent sleeping. In addition, there is more time because you do not need to spend it on food, preparing it, and so on.
Buteyko breathing. Minimal air consumption. This is real and possible. People already breathe this way. It has been scientifically proven. There is room for progress here too. Those who have practiced the Buteyko method for a long time talk about constant freedom from air. That is, at the culmination of the process—freedom from air.
And that means you can travel not only around the world, but also through the underwater world, and, if you go further, into space.
Naturally, such transformations will also give the body new capabilities. For example, easily tolerating high and low temperatures. There you have it—hello, Mars and other planets.

In the Ashram I wrote about how to move toward autonomy. We even held a retreat.

Everything is possible if you proceed gradually. To begin with, simply stop overeating. Eat exactly three times a day. Does that seem easy? For many people, even this is difficult.
Do this for one year.
Then become a complete vegetarian.
Another year.
Now you already have three meals a day without overeating, and clean food.
That is already a result. Add intestinal cleansing and regular fasting on Ekadashi.
Another year.
By then, you will already have become cleaner.
Then you can easily switch to a non-strict two-meals-a-day diet.
Another year.
Then 50% cooked food and 50% raw food: greens, fruit, and vegetables.
Another year.
There you have a REAL five-year program.
It will not happen quickly. It is a gradual process.
After these five years, you will be significantly cleansed. And this will be a natural, nonviolent process that does not force your body.
Then you can go further—one meal a day. That is already almost autonomy. Very close to it.
Essentially, this means you fast every day, in medical terms.

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 3, 2020

Конечно же голодание и автономия понятия разные, хотя действия внешние одинаковые.
Но всё же. Есть удивительный момент в голодании, например 10-20 дней. Он заключается в том, что в определённый момент вес вообще не падает. Или снижается лишь на 100 гр.
Казалось бы, вначале килограммы уходят, а потом на граммы переходит падение.
Это объясняется примером: когда выключают воду - в трубах вода всё ещё присутствует.
ЧТО ЭТО ЗНАЧИТ?
Это значит, что Вы, когда становитесь на весы, и видите там 60-70-80 и т.д. килограмм - то это ещё далеко не Ваш вес!
Эт оважно понимать. И когда человек голодает и видит на весах каждый день уменьшение "своего веса" - то он обманывает самого себя. Там вовсе падение не его веса. А тогда чего?

Каловых масс.
Различных залежей шлаков.
В конце концов - чрезмерно увеличенных органов, чтобы всю эту дрянь переваривать.

И вот смотрите что происходит. Когда Вы голодаете например 10 дней, то Ваше тело принимает свой более или менее нормальный вес. Его можно условно назвать Вашим реальным весом, без каловых масс и т.д.

Интересно не правда ли?
Интенсивное "падение" веса в смом начале - это вовсе не падение Вашего веса.
И если говорить о реальном падении веса, то это всего лишь те граммы, которые уходят после 10 дней голодания. И как я сказал Вам в самом начале, есть дни в голодании, когда вес вообще не падает. А есть феномен когда вообще увеличивается.
И вот тут самое интересное. Природа даёт подсказку, что автономия существует.

Пример интенсива здесь: https://www.youryoga.ru/sadhanaashram/threads/intensiv-dlja-gostej-i-zhitelej-ashrama.1744/
Итоги этого интенсива здесь: https://www.youryoga.ru/sadhanaashram/threads/intensiv-po-intervalnomu-golodaniju-itogi.1783/
Материалы здесь: https://www.youryoga.ru/sadhanaashram/threads/amen-ra.1703/

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 3, 2020

It is important to add that all these things have been known for a long time—for many thousands of years.
People primarily fasted on Ekadashi and other special cosmic days. The main principle of fasting was abstaining from food, water, and sleep.
I wrote to you about this here: Your Yoga. Ekadashi online.

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 4, 2020

I once read in Paul Bragg’s work, “A hungry wolf does not faint.” A hungry wolf runs faster because it has to catch its prey. And it can go without eating for two days, four days, a week, or longer. Prey is not caught every day.
That is a fact.
A well-fed wolf is a lazy wolf.
People eat incorrectly. When they begin fasting (oh my God, for an entire day), they start feeling unwell. And they say, “Fasting is harmful; it makes you dizzy,” and so on. Of course, if you never exercise, then after a workout it can even be difficult to get up the next day—your whole body aches. So what? By that logic, does that mean exercise is harmful?
No.
We have missed something in modern civilization. Something was left unsaid; we were not taught everything.
They taught us how to stuff ourselves with buns. But how to be perfectly healthy (all right, forget “perfectly”—at least reasonably healthy), no.
People shut themselves off from any knowledge. Here it is—simply do nothing. For example, do not eat. A dog gets sick, does not eat for a week, and recovers. A person wants the opposite—to eat something in order to heal. That is how they were raised; that is what they were taught to believe.
Doing nothing is too simple for them.
Not eating, not drinking, not sleeping, not breathing… “It is all fairy tales,” people say.
But did they have a choice? Did they have the choice to say something else? To try?
No.
They “know everything” even without that. They “know” what they were taught to know.

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 4, 2020

And yet, it seems that everyone has heard the story of the apple and Paradise. If you simply look at the facts, without all sorts of interpretations such as “the apple means this or that, the apple means this or that.” An apple is food. That is a fact. It was stated plainly: “They ate the apple.” They left Paradise.
So what does that mean? Stop eating and return to Paradise? And it is always here—not merely nearby, but right here. Stop eating, and you return to Paradise. And God returned too.
Take the elders. One way or another, we have all heard about elders. It does not matter which religion. They stop eating. You look into their eyes, and there is light there.
And not only in their eyes. Sometimes there is a flash of light, and they depart together with the body.
Most of those who tried and failed say, “Spirituality does not depend on food.” Just like the fox and the grapes.
And they want to overeat, sleep as much as they want, and have God handed to them as well…

Удалённый пользователь 19 · Oct 4, 2020

Thank you, Teacher. Yes, every message really does provide support. I am deliberately reducing my food intake, and doing so imperceptibly, so that it does not interfere with anything. After 3 p.m., I fast until the next morning. Only water.

Actually, I used to eat little, but now that I am reducing it further, I never cease to be amazed at how little one needs (height 1.60 m, weight: 60 kg).
I wake up like clockwork between 3:30 and 4:00 a.m., with a completely clear head. I go to look at the stars at night. Then I lie down again—this year has been giving me new illnesses from the very beginning. While lying down, I do healing meditations—for the Ashram, for acquaintances, and for myself. A little on Vsepolyu, the UN, and a little DP. I work with images and guesses according to OTG. Sadhana begins around 6–7.
I do not feel hungry in the morning. If it were not for the medications, it would be easier to skip breakfast. But I very much hope that even partial daily fasting will help me cope and achieve the point where doctors discontinue my medications. In the evenings, I conduct subconscious-mind training (from OTG practices): I have a healthy body.

55555 · Oct 5, 2020

I’m learning about amazing things, and amazing people are talking about them. I remember that I always drank very little (in childhood and adolescence). I very rarely drank water—once a week or once a month, when I was made to—and tea two or three times a day, half a glass at a time. My mother wondered how I could live on so little fluid. I grew up and began forcing myself to drink more (because it’s healthy). And the more you drink (eat, sleep), the more you want to. My grandfather also used to say that sleep is a fool: the more you sleep, the more you want to sleep. People used to know more. But how can one learn to avoid this? After all, we were conditioned to it from birth. Here, people describe their autonomy, but they had to go through illnesses and difficulties to understand it. Is there really no other way? I really want to understand; these people’s stories are inspiring. They gain a free night and a sea of time and energy—it’s astonishing.
On the other hand, there are those frightening stories about emaciated people in concentration camps or modern models who died of starvation. So why do people die of starvation? And why is it that, for example, I—I don’t know about others—can’t think clearly after a sleepless night, can’t concentrate, and can barely speak?

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 5, 2020

What elements make up autonomy?

The first element.

Without water.

A long time ago, I read about a follower of one of the health systems. He was not talking about what many people advocated at the time: giving up food for a while, consuming only juices, eating salads, and so on. To me, his idea was revolutionary. He proposed giving up water. He himself practiced this method according to that system.
Of course, against the background of ideas about giving up food, giving up water seemed interesting to me.
All that was required was simply not to drink. BUT YOU CAN EAT AT THE SAME TIME. It was almost the opposite. Everyone said, “Don’t eat, but you can drink as much as you like.” Here, it was the opposite: don’t drink, but eat as much as you want.
It sounded intriguing.
I tried it—it turned out to be easier than simply fasting. Giving up water was easier.
There is no hunger at all.
This system also had its own developments and research experience. He said that cleansing processes proceed faster without water.
Personally, based on my own experience, I can say that this is true. If someone wants to use this experience and try it, I can say right away that intense cleansing mechanisms may start. They may resemble cold symptoms and can last for several days—for example, after one day without water.

However, “without water” is conditional. Of course, some water comes from food. Therefore, you need to eat main courses, such as porridge, stewed vegetables, and so on. In other words, eat main courses without water, do not wash them down with anything, and do not drink at all.

By evening, you will be thirsty. You can end the fast in the evening. You can continue for two days.

Keep in mind that there will be an increased load on the excretory system and kidneys. You should also bear in mind that a cleansing process may begin in the form of cold symptoms. So you may be sniffling for four days or a week afterward.

If you are starting, you can begin with one day.

That was the first element.

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 5, 2020

The Buteyko Method is here: Your Yoga. The Buteyko Method. Step by Step.
The Elixir is here: Your Yoga. The Elixir of Youth and Eternal Life.
Freedom from Everything is here: Your Yoga. Freedom from Everything. Video.
By the way, I made “Freedom from Everything” for you in 2013.
Adyahara is here: Your Yoga. Adyahara. Nutrition According to the Original Principle.
I began teaching Adyahara to you around 2006. However, there are currently more consistent and systematic approaches, so I discontinued the practice, even though I had introduced my own Sanskrit term for this phenomenon.

789 · Oct 5, 2020

I usually have breakfast very late, around 11 or 12, but sometimes I notice that even at that time I still do not feel like eating. Then the thought arises that it is already so late and I should eat something. We need to get rid of such automatic habits. Today I did not eat anything until six in the evening. I only had tea with lemon and a spoonful of honey a couple of times. I feel light and full of energy. I usually have breakfast and dinner, but now I will try having only dinner. And some tea during the day.

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 6, 2020

What elements make up autonomy?

The second element.

Without food.

This is the clearest and best-known element. When a person "falls ill" (I deliberately put it in quotation marks), their tongue cannot taste anything—in other words, the body itself says: enough eating.
For example, with the flu.
Why did I use quotation marks? Because most often our medicine fights the symptoms of the body's CLEANSING. I did not even say the symptoms of illness (pay attention).
All viral "illnesses" activate cleansing programs within us. Yes, they are unpleasant. That is true. But they are not an illness!

Often in our lives, each of us encounters this phenomenon—when Nature within us tells us not to eat. And this gives us cleansing. Some would call it "healing." But I call it cleansing.
Cleansing = healing.

And now look at how the process works. Fasting (going without food) cleanses us. But when we have cleansed ourselves, that does not mean we can start stuffing ourselves with buns, sweets, and cutlets again. We will need to maintain this purity. And that can also be done through regular fasts.

And as you understand, this path has no end. No one will tell you how much you personally should fast—once a month, once a week, or more often.
Some people choose to eat only once a week. And for others, even that is too much.
Once again—there is no limit.

Going without food (fasting) is part of LIFE in nature. Look around you. Everyone goes through these stages. For example, tigers eat once a week or less often. Crocodiles may eat only once a year. You may ask, "What about herbivores?" After all, they always have plenty of food. But no. They also have periods (seasons) when they cannot find food. Deer, for example, in winter—or farther south, during droughts.
Going without food is part of LIFE. Do not forget that.
Always eating is part of death.

Удалённый пользователь 70 · Oct 6, 2020

Challenge: 24 hours without water.
Feedback on the practice.
Gratitude to the Master for a new "self-upgrade."

It was interesting and something new—a chance to understand from this perspective as well how the mind and body work, and to see/uncover new patterns and dependencies.
The 24 hours passed calmly.
When I really wanted to drink, I had a plum or some grapes.
At such moments, my body also strongly urged me to do good deeds involving water—specifically, water-related ones.
For example, I brought water from a well for another person. I helped wash clothes using eco-friendly products and cooked a mild soup for someone who could not do it themselves.
And the thirst goes away. Water seems to "release" the dependency.
A shower from the tap did not help, but washing my face and hands with cold well water refreshed me wonderfully.
I noticed some fears through their reflections in people with whom I had to interact at their initiative. Like mirrors, they illuminated the tensions.
I worked in combination with Ra-fields and Instant Evolution.
Sadhana has not been canceled either.
I literally felt the support of the Space of Mahapurna—not empty talk, but through hints and unconventional situational solutions.
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Thank you for the practice.

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 7, 2020

What elements make up autonomy?

The third element.

Without sleep.

First of all, it is important to know that this element has long been used for a wide variety of purposes, including treatment, even in clinics.
Sleep deprivation — Wikipedia

Practically all systems of spiritual development offer their adherents early rising. This is approximately 4 a.m. You can compare this with the time ordinary people wake up—often 7–8 a.m.

In many systems, it is also acceptable to have “night vigils” or something similar once a week or more often (or at any other frequency). There are holidays that are celebrated at night.

In other words, this is not some kind of nonsense. These are well-known practices.

IMPORTANT: do not overdo it or force yourself.

This element should definitely be viewed as a CONSEQUENCE of the purity not only of the body, but also of consciousness and the psyche.

During sleep, our various emotions are processed. If this does not happen, the emotions are not processed, and the human psyche simply will not withstand it.
Resolve all your main fears, worries, psychological traumas, and so on—then you will be able to sleep less.

I studied a number of Ayurvedic meditations. This is an ancient Ayurvedic science of working with one’s deep emotions and states. It says that sleep is very important as long as you lead a life full of worries. Free yourself from them, and sleep will become less important (less necessary).

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 7, 2020

It would not be out of place to add once again that everything in this thread is information in its purest form.
These are not lessons, nor a call to action, nor a condemnation of any other way of life, etc.

An attempt is being made here to convey the fact that all these elements (or most of them) have existed for thousands of years and, moreover, are used even in medicine.
In other words, this is a union of science and mysticism.

And no one needs to BELIEVE anyone here. You can take these elements and apply them to yourself—whether that means abstaining from food for a day, from water, or from sleep—and add Buteyko breathing to it.

Then observe what this gives you personally. Once will not be enough. But after doing it several times, there will be a result that will be the best proof specifically for you.
The question will really be only one: how far you want to go. For some, fasting once a week will be acceptable, while others may progress to eating three times a week.
And some will go even further. Everyone has their own threshold.

And, of course, all these people do not eat, drink, or sleep merely for the sake of the process. This process provides many BONUSES. One of them, for example, is health. Some people got into this simply in order to LIVE, because modern medicine had given up on them, saying that their condition was incurable, etc.
And their autonomy not only cured them but also gave them many other bonuses.

Moreover, you should not think that autonomy means only completely giving up everything.
You can proceed step by step. These will be stages of autonomy.
Even when you simply give up meat and decide to wake up at 4 a.m., this is one of the stages of autonomy.
And how many such stages you personally will have is up to you.

Веретенников Сергей · Oct 8, 2020

There are people living on Earth right now who have not been corrupted by civilization.
Can they be useful to us? Of course they can. They do not have the conditioning that has been imposed on us.
But we need to understand that this is not the highest standard of living. There is room for growth. Yet even they can tell us: we are going in the wrong direction. All of us.

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